and they're saying it will both be costly for them to do this, and also in fact t will require more energy which will increase their carbon output. >> but the administration is disputing that. so what is the administration basing their argument? >> the administration ask saying that this will address than a penny a gallon to any gallon of gasoline. and they say that first of all the oil industry is inflating their statistics. they've done a survey of refineries and looked at what kind of modifications, that only a tiny fraction of the roughly 140 refineries in the country will have to do a major overhall. and also they allowed for flexibility in the proposal, so that the smallest refineries and the ones that will take the biggest hit will have, you know, an easier transition. >> but the industry, the oil & gas industry is pushing back? >> absolutely. they're saying that, you know, on average it will at least be 2 cents per gallon and in some instances it's going to be as much as 9 cents because they estimate it will cost $10 billion to do the upgrades they will need. >> and it is my unders